tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-34805796.post116526277871706727..comments2024-01-23T12:49:03.885-05:00Comments on Jewbiquitous: History in the Making (Hopefully): An IntroductionAnniehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10434918343302976597noreply@blogger.comBlogger8125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-34805796.post-1165435497578740052006-12-06T15:04:00.000-05:002006-12-06T15:04:00.000-05:00Whatever the outcome (although I definitely would ...Whatever the outcome (although I definitely would like to see it come out in favor of ordination) it is really nice and refreshing to see this kind of openness and clarity in making this kind of decision, and Arnold Eisen should be applauded. I knew him when I was studying in California, and cannot think of anyone more capable of changing the tenor of the conversation in positive ways. I believe that history will eventually vindicate the decision to appoint an academic (rather than a rabbi of any stripe) to the post of Chancellor for this very reason.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-34805796.post-1165345216817978512006-12-05T14:00:00.000-05:002006-12-05T14:00:00.000-05:00I actually feel like I need to clarify my comment....I actually feel like I need to clarify my comment. I do strongly feel that conservative judaism needs to ordain LGBT clergy because in my mind it is a civil rights issue. And I am all for it. <BR/><BR/>I can though see the other side that it will cause a rift. Fear is not a reason to NOT ordain LGBT clergy. The idea of a furthe rift does sadden me but I think it's necessary for conversative judaism to move forward.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-34805796.post-1165341988476086082006-12-05T13:06:00.000-05:002006-12-05T13:06:00.000-05:00Fuck "going to hurt Conservative Judaism." It has ...Fuck "going to hurt Conservative Judaism." It has been bleeding to death for years and it needs major reconstructive surgery, regardless of how risky it is. They need a giant shock to their system and come out in favor of equal rights if they want to have any relevance in the coming generations. <BR/><BR/>What would be the point of having a movement that claims to represent something if it's too afraid of confrontation to actually come out with a proclamation of standards? If the committees vote correctly (as my mother would say) then this could do some very important things for the movement. It'll be scary, but it's essential. <BR/><BR/>Three cheers for Eisen standing up for equality and respecting important processess.EMNhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05774122243068838200noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-34805796.post-1165292546615353252006-12-04T23:22:00.000-05:002006-12-04T23:22:00.000-05:00This will only be "bad" for Conservative Judaism i...This will only be "bad" for Conservative Judaism if the movement does not move forward. <BR/><BR/>The 'problem' with women is the same 'problem' with gays. A simple and fixed reading of text. <BR/><BR/>BZ is right on the money here, the problem is if you listen only to the exact words of the Torah...and then woman should not be aloud to do much of anything...let alone be rabbis and we could stone children for being bad...we all know that I would not be writting this blog, I would be stoned...<BR/><BR/>I wish the Conservative Movement luck. Good luck Conservatives in moving forward towards tolerance. Very well done Jewbiq, as always.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-34805796.post-1165279939666185772006-12-04T19:52:00.000-05:002006-12-04T19:52:00.000-05:00If you think that all homosexual relationships are...If you think that all homosexual relationships are absolutely wrong and therefore gay/lesbian Jews shouldn't be ordained, then I understand your position, though I strongly disagree with it.<BR/><BR/>But I don't understand the position of those who are "personally" pro-equality, but don't want to come out too strongly in favor of it because it "threatens Conservative Judaism". What is this thing called "Conservative Judaism" and why is it more important than real live people?BZhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18242965196421853025noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-34805796.post-1165275340394549862006-12-04T18:35:00.000-05:002006-12-04T18:35:00.000-05:00Yeah, this is tough. On a personal belief level, ...Yeah, this is tough. On a personal belief level, I am all for ordination of LGBT rabbis/cantors. But from a system wide level, I can see how this threatens Conservative Judaism, especially since there are still "issues" in some circles with the ordination of women.<BR/><BR/>I'm fairly certain that this is a reason to NOT ordain LGBT rabbis and cantors. But that is just my opinion. <BR/><BR/>Either way, someone is going to be very unhappy. <BR/><BR/>This is a very nice review of the issue, by the way.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-34805796.post-1165270642826145932006-12-04T17:17:00.000-05:002006-12-04T17:17:00.000-05:00I agree with Amishav. This is a no-win scenario f...I agree with Amishav. This is a no-win scenario for the Conservative movement. One can only hope that they strike a strong balance between intellectual honesty and sensitivity - by no means an easy balance to strike.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-34805796.post-1165266251623422852006-12-04T16:04:00.000-05:002006-12-04T16:04:00.000-05:00I am really dreading this decision. No matter what...I am really dreading this decision. No matter what its going to hurt Conservative Judaism.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com